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Post by tncaveres on Jul 5, 2006 16:02:37 GMT -5
been to NCRC?
If you are a caver then it is a MUST do!
I can not tell you how many times my group have been able to self rescue our selves without having to go for help.
Really a great thing.
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Post by guanonoggin on Jul 5, 2006 17:19:35 GMT -5
Righteous comments dude!
Outstanding idea tncaveres! It would be most embarrasing to call for a rescue. Having the brains and gear to self - rescue is what makes you a real caver instead of a friggin cave tourist man.
Chucky
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Post by tncaveres on Jul 5, 2006 21:02:15 GMT -5
Yeah the National seminar is going to be in Bristol, Virgina next yr. Anybody that has thought about going ought to try & make it.
I will be doing level 3 there.
I just got back from level 2 & can hardly wait for level 3.
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Post by NZcaver on Jul 5, 2006 23:14:51 GMT -5
Yeah the National seminar is going to be in Bristol, Virgina next yr. Anybody that has thought about going ought to try & make it. I will be doing level 3 there. I just got back from level 2 & can hardly wait for level 3. Good advice - even if you never have to use the skills for rescue, they should at least help you become a safer caver. I hope to make it to next year's training, especially since I missed all 3 weeklongs this year...  |
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Post by randyb on Nov 28, 2006 15:28:07 GMT -5
I'm a NCRC Instructor here in the central region and I agree 100% that the training is useful, besides it gives you a chance to hang with cavers and to play in some really neat caves.
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Post by tncaveres on Jan 30, 2007 18:56:40 GMT -5
Yeah are you going to be at the National this yr?
They changed the location to Salem, Va.
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Post by Azurerana on Jan 31, 2007 10:38:36 GMT -5
Has the NCRC dropped its requirement that attendees be vertical? I've always been discouraged from attending because I'm not and not a physically strong caver. I'm aces on logistics, and media communication, and organization, but I was told agency people do those functions.
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Post by NZcaver on Jan 31, 2007 14:40:58 GMT -5
Has the NCRC dropped its requirement that attendees be vertical? I've always been discouraged from attending because I'm not and not a physically strong caver. I'm aces on logistics, and media communication, and organization, but I was told agency people do those functions. Vertical - as in not walking on all fours? ;D Seriously, though - for the weeklong training (levels 1,2,3), the NCRC is highly unlikely to ever drop it's requirement for students to be vertically competent. Vertical/technical rescue is a huge part of the training, and personal rope skills like changeovers and pickoffs are key testing points. Yes - some physical strength is required, but the real emphasis is on good technique. Key ICS positions in mock rescues are filled by both agency and non-agency students. In my experience, NCRC training works at keeping the "us and them" factor to a minimum - and is usually quite successful. Logistics, PIO etc responsibilities could just as easily fall on the shoulders of a non-agency caver, or an agency person. Note that most weekend orientation training conducted throughout the regions does not, in general, include a vertical component or any entry prerequisites. Further information, including entry requirements for students, can be found at www.ncrc.info |
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Post by Azurerana on Jan 31, 2007 15:22:00 GMT -5
This was for the weekend session in area of very few vertical caves.
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Post by NZcaver on Jan 31, 2007 16:02:55 GMT -5
This was for the weekend session in area of very few vertical caves. If this was a standard OCR, particularly in an area with few vertical caves, it's unusual that vertical skills were required and/or taught. Having been involved in a number of weekend orientations on both coasts and elsewhere, only one had a vertical component involving students - and that was a combination OCR and small-party rescue training (targeting students who specifically requested it). You're obviously interested in further training :-*so I suggest you contact your NCRC Regional Coordinator and see if there are any OCRs planned. If not, get some like-minded cavers and/or agency folks behind you and request some training! |
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Post by Tim White on Jan 31, 2007 16:04:47 GMT -5
This was for the weekend session in area of very few vertical caves. Then those that taught the weekend OCR chose to add the vertical component. It IS NOT required by NCRC for the Orientation to Cave Rescue (OCR) class. But OCR instructors are allowed to add and / or modify the class requirements on a local level as long as the required elements are covered. Maybe you can suggest to your Regional Coordinator that an OCR be conducted in your area that does not have vertical. |
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Post by Azurerana on Jan 31, 2007 17:25:39 GMT -5
Thanks guys.
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Post by madratdan on Jan 31, 2007 20:14:31 GMT -5
Next year Colorado will be having another seminar based on horizontal caves. Your more than welcome to come stay at my house and attend the weekend. I'll keep you posted as soon as I hear something.
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Post by Karsthuntr on Feb 11, 2007 19:52:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure where you are from, but I teach an OCR in the Eastern Region. We do not do vertical in our OCR classes. Our next class will be in April, in Grottoes VA. |
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Post by Azurerana on Feb 11, 2007 20:33:33 GMT -5
Thanks. I'm in Missouri-- abbout 2/3 of the total distance between you and the 1/3 distance to madratdan's offer in Colorado. I appreciate the offers.
Azurerana
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