New Cave Photography Slide Show

[Sharon Faulkner]

A new Flickr photo widget has been created. Here is the link:

flickr.com/groups/cavers/pool/

The Flickr slide show features much of Lynn's excellent Caving and Nature photography and the fine TAG Caving photography of Brian Roebuck.

Everyone check out the great cave photography and cave photographers we have on board U.S. Cavers Forum!

[Taylor]

Absolutely brilliant! The copyright on the photos is great, but the rest, ingenious. You were given lemons and made lemonade. Huge amounts of respect to you.


Everyone be sure to click on the photos for more information.

[NZcaver]

nssmembersforum said:

A new Flickr photo widget has been created. Here is the link:

www.flickr.com/photos/tags/caving/show/

The Flickr slide show features much of Lynn's excellent Caving and Nature photography and the fine TAG Caving photography of Brian Roebuck.

Everyone check out the great cave photography and cave photographers we have on board U.S. Cavers Forum!

That's a lot of interesting photos. Correct me if I'm wrong, but any Flickr member who opts to make their photos "public" and adds "caving" as a tag will show up in that slideshow - right? So I assume nobody is implying all the photo-takers in that show are somehow connected with this (or any other) forum.

This Flickr tag-search slideshow idea is a neat system. Theoretically nobody should get upset about their photo showing up somewhere in a Flickr slideshow link, because they made it publicly viewable anyway. But as discussed recently in another thread, embedding a small copyright text in your on-line photos might be a prudent idea to help discourage unauthorized use outside of wherever you posted your photo.

Personally I think Flickr is a really nice tool, but like so many things you have to upgrade to the paid option to make it really useful - like if you want to display more than 200 of your photos.

[guanonoggin]

I totally agree NZ. Any friggin body can abuse tags on Flickr or whatever to run yer public photos all over the 'net. Dude - that means yer stuff could even show up on frickin "Pron sites"! I was thinkin of sharin some of my stuff out there too. If I do I totally will put my copyright info all over it. It kinda sux to have to do all a dat but I don't want some dweeb takin credit for my work man.

Thanks to a few bungholes sometimz the whole freakin world is drownin in bad Karma.

bummed again,
Chuckie

[Sharon Faulkner]

nzcaver said:

That's a lot of interesting photos. Correct me if I'm wrong, but any Flickr member who opts to make their photos "public" and adds "caving" as a tag will show up in that slideshow - right?

Well, heck if I know NZ. ;D I don't create Flickr slide shows or widgets using other cavers Flickr photos. ;D

However, if someone is determined to create a slideshow using other cavers photos, they will. Might as well make the best of an undesirable situation.

Maybe flickr can address unwanted use of public photos in the future and give everyone an equal option.

[NZcaver]

nssmembersforum said:

nzcaver said:

That's a lot of interesting photos. Correct me if I'm wrong, but any Flickr member who opts to make their photos "public" and adds "caving" as a tag will show up in that slideshow - right?

Well, heck if I know NZ. ;D I don't create Flickr slide shows or widgets using other cavers Flickr photos. ;D

However, if someone is determined to create a slideshow using other cavers photos, they will. Might as well make the best of an undesirable situation.

Maybe flickr can address unwanted use of public photos in the future and give everyone an equal option.

I think you missed my point, Sharon. Or perhaps I'm missing your point?

The link in your first post displays a huge parade of caving photos from many, many different Flickr users - not just the people you mentioned in that post. By your wording, I wasn't sure if you knew that.

Not that this is a problem at all. Any publicly-viewable photo on Flickr can be included in a slideshow, and anyone can then post a link to this custom slideshow anywhere they want (like you did). Unless you specify only photos from one particular user, of course "everyone's" caving photos will show up there. The whole thing runs directly from the Flickr website - so even though the show you created does include photos from other Flickr users, it's not like they are being stolen or used without permission. They're just being viewed right where they were posted on Flickr, grouped by subject tag.

What Chuckie mentioned in his post about other people's public photos being copied and ending up all over the net is a whole different ballgame. If people don't want their Flickr photos to show up in Flickr slideshows or anywhere else, they probably need to select one of the various non-public display options for their shots. Embedding the copyright label won't stop photos showing up in Flickr searches and slideshows, but it should discourage the nasty buggers out there from actually "using" your shots without permission.

[Sharon Faulkner]

nzcaver said:

I think you missed my point, Sharon. Or perhaps I'm missing your point?

The link in your first post displays a huge parade of caving photos from many, many different Flickr users - not just the people you mentioned in that post. By your wording, I wasn't sure if you knew that.

Not that this is a problem at all. Any publicly-viewable photo on Flickr can be included in a slideshow, and anyone can then post a link to this custom slideshow anywhere they want (like you did). Unless you specify only photos from one particular user, of course "everyone's" caving photos will show up there. The whole thing runs directly from the Flickr website - so even though the show you created does include photos from other Flickr users, it's not like they are being stolen or used without permission. They're just being viewed right where they were posted on Flickr, grouped by subject tag.

What Chuckie mentioned in his post about other people's public photos being copied and ending up all over the net is a whole different ballgame. If people don't want their Flickr photos to show up in Flickr slideshows or anywhere else, they probably need to select one of the various non-public display options for their shots. Embedding the copyright label won't stop photos showing up in Flickr searches and slideshows, but it should discourage the nasty buggers out there from actually "using" your shots without permission.

I think you should re-read the entire thread NZ. ;D Yes, I did see that the link posted had many photographs by many different cavers. (Have to be a bit blind or daffy to miss that I'd think. ;D)

However, I didn't create the link I posted above. I do not create links, slideshows, or widgets to other cavers flickr photographs. Clear yet? ;D

[NZcaver]

nssmembersforum said:

I think you should re-read the entire thread NZ. ;D Yes, I did see that the link posted had many photographs by many different cavers. (Have to be a bit blind or daffy to miss that I'd think. ;D)

However, I didn't create the link I posted above. I do not create links, slideshows, or widgets to other cavers flickr photographs. Clear yet? ;D

OK - loud and clear! ;D

I have to go make more slideshows now...

[L Roebuck]

Haven't seen you around in a long time NZ. Been busy?

Actually I post the link to the Flickr Caving Photo Group's that I Admin. ;D

Like so....

The Flickr Group Cavers, Caves & Caving Photos was created 8 months ago. This group now has 141 photographers and 1,059 photos!

And the Flickr Group Life in A Cave Photos was created 4 months ago. It now has 24 photographers and 114 photos!

* Images are protected under international copyright law and can only be used with prior authorization by the photographer.

[NZcaver]

Hi Lynn.

Yes, I've been busy the last few months. Traveling, hiking, caving etc has been fun, but a bunch of more mundane things have kept me occupied as well.

I'll have to check out your photo groups when I get some time.

[L Roebuck]

Sounds like you have had some fun! Sure you are welcome to check out the caving photo groups.

BTW - I enjoyed viewing your Flickr photos. The petroglyph photos were too cool!

[Taylor]

Greetings cavers,

I saw more of Lynn's photos on another slide show just this morning. Another link created within the last day to capture photos for the community Flickr Caving Photos. Hope we'll see more of your most recent photographic work on this other link too.

www.flickr.com/photos/tags/caving/interesting/show/

Are these links being changed to capture images of choice? This link is not all inclusive of the community Flickr photos with a tag of caving? Wonder who is creating the mulitple links and why more than one link is needed?

[L Roebuck]

taylor said:

Greetings cavers,

I saw more of Lynn's photos on another slide show just this morning. Another link created within the last day to capture photos for the community Flickr Caving Photos. Hope we'll see more of your most recent photographic work on this other link too.

www.flickr.com/photos/tags/caving/interesting/show/

Are these links being changed to capture images of choice? This link is not all inclusive of the community Flickr photos with a tag of caving? Wonder who is creating the mulitple links and why more than one link is needed?

Yup, there are a lot of my photos that appear in that Flickr Caving Photos slideshow, Taylor. Apparently who ever did this did not search within the Creative Commons-licensed photos - as my Flickr photos are licensed © All Rights Reserved. Where did you say the link is located?

Who ever created the slideshow must have thought the "guy biting the girls a*s photo" is caving. ;D ;D

[Taylor]

I purposely did not say where the flickr slide show is located. I am content to let this drag out while bystanders observe it in action for a change. At best it will force the non-involved to take off the blinders, at worst it will be harder for those who opt to look the other way to deny knowledge of the flickr issue later.

They have to utilize the photographs from your flickr groups Lynn. Their own flickr group has less members and less photographs, drawing little interest from cavers. Photographs from other groups gives their slide shows a variety and interest that they would otherwise not have.

Who ever created the slideshow must have thought the "guy biting the girls a*s photo" is caving.

I'm waiting for the nekkid caving photos to be flickrized and included in the next slide show.

[L Roebuck]

Maybe you will tell me the url later?

I forgot to give you guys the links to the Flickr Caving Photo Group Slideshows. For your viewing pleasure here they are!

Cavers, Caves & Caving Photos Slideshow

Life in A Cave Photos Slideshow

[guanonoggin]

Dudes,
I scoped out some of the Flickr show linkage and saw lotza cave photos with copyrights on em now. Itz still friggin bogus for Flickr to let anyfrigginbody show anyfrigginphoto anyfrigginwhere. Come on man! Some social outcast dork getz to use yer photos as a show on his freaky goth website? No friggin way! What were they thinkin?

I see Flickr gettin lotz of bad vibes offa this man. Major league negative Karma points!

The cave pics are kinda cool though

[L Roebuck]

taylor said:

They have to utilize the photographs from your flickr groups Lynn. Their own flickr group has less members and less photographs, drawing little interest from cavers. Photographs from other groups gives their slide shows a variety and interest that they would otherwise not have.

I forgot to answer this portion earlier.

As far as I can tell this link is not using the photos 'specifically' from my groups. Flickr has a Explore Feature that allows searching of specific terms and tags. So you can search "caving" and then pick the "caving" photos by either "most recent" or most interesting". It appears that this url you posted may be for the 'most interesting'. Then you can pick the 'slideshow' or the 'page view' of photo's. I searched by the criteria in the url you posted Taylor www.flickr.com/photos/tags/caving/interesting/show/ and here's the results.

Flickr Search by the Tag "Caving": www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=caving&m=tags
Flickr Most Recent: www.flickr.com/photos/tags/caving/
Flickr Most Interesting:
www.flickr.com/search/?q=caving&m=tags&s=int

Advanced Searches can also be conducted to extract an exact phrase or to exclude words or tags from your search. And other options can be added to the Advanced Search such as safesearch, content type (screenshots, art, drawing, etc), search by date, search only within the Creative Commons-licensed photos (Find content to use commercially, etc).


Which leaves me wondering why a search within only the Creative Commons-Licensed Photos was not utilized and that url posted?

Read more info concerning Creative Commons License
creativecommons.org/

[Taylor]

Not a url, but will tell you where one slide show link came from.

www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/50143/




I now know more about flickr than any self respecting caver should ever need to know in a lifetime. The shame of it all.

[Brian Roebuck]

taylor said:

Not a url, but will tell you where one slide show link came from.

www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/50143/




I now know more about flickr than any self respecting caver should ever need to know in a lifetime. The shame of it all.

Thanks for the informative link Taylor.

It's hard to figure out if the person asking questions is there to support his argument or to find out what the proper thing to do is. In any case it appears nobody on that link really knows what the legal implications of this might be. I think Guanonoggin was right in saying Flickr may have trouble (if that is what he was really saying???) with all this. From what I read the argument about display of photos that are marked "all rights reserved" etc is not resolved and Flickr seems to have no firm policy on it. I doubt any of those people talking about it on the link above were lawyers and if they were I am sure even they would disagree. The most useful postings there seem to be the ones that suggest removing photos from specific individuals when they request that be removed. One person said that there are ways to do just that. "Common Courtesy" was also mentioned. I wonder if anyone remembers what that means?

[Sharon Faulkner]

drbeaner said:

It's hard to figure out if the person asking questions is there to support his argument or to find out what the proper thing to do is. In any case it appears nobody on that link really knows what the legal implications of this might be. I think Guanonoggin was right in saying Flickr may have trouble (if that is what he was really saying???) with all this. From what I read the argument about display of photos that are marked "all rights reserved" etc is not resolved and Flickr seems to have no firm policy on it. I doubt any of those people talking about it on the link above were lawyers and if they were I am sure even they would disagree. The most useful postings there seem to be the ones that suggest removing photos from specific individuals when they request that be removed. One person said that there are ways to do just that. "Common Courtesy" was also mentioned. I wonder if anyone remembers what that means?

I think I'm going to go with Dr. Beaner. Common courtesy is the simple solution. If someone request that their photos not be used, just edit their photos out of anything you create. Seems to me if you edit out the photos requested, the legalities of the issue no longer matter.

[saltpeter]

No more Flickr link on that site now it has been changed to

www.airtightinteractive.com/projects/related_tag_browser/app/

Anything can be manually typed in the 'Type a Search Tag Above' box and searched; sky, toy, face, horse, wedding, jerk, moron, *ss, and so on.

I pray Lynn will not be the TARGET any longer.

[Brian Roebuck]

Back at the Beaner Labs our crack team (I really gotta get them off that stuff!) has been staying up for days feverishly working on the ongoing dilema. In an epiphany I think I finally figured out what the problem is...

It was brought on by a nervous condition known as Loss Of Standard Evaluatory Reasoning (L.O.S.E.R.) whereupon the afflicted individual just don't get it anymore. Therefore when the NSS motto said "Take nothing but pictures" etc the L.O.S.E.R. assumed it was OK to just go out there and "take" pictures! It is highly likely L.O.S.E.R. cavers could be confused by this to the point of fanatic responses to such a situation. Typically the subject goes to any length to prove to themselves that he or she is correct above all else. This of course is the common malady known as Confusing Your Allegations (C.Y.A.). When the typical L.O.S.E.R. begins to C.Y.A. the entire pseudo logic stream begins to crumble resulting in even more odd behavior patterns. I have seen examples of this such as wearing cooking utensiles while caving. But I digress......

Our labs are working on a cure. To date we haven't found one. I am setting up a fund for research into this horrible condition. Lives are at stake! Please give and give generously to Beaner's Save the L.O.S.E.R. Fund.

Send your unmarked cash donations to:
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