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Post by Lyonz on Nov 9, 2006 20:04:44 GMT -5
After reading Jack Speece's "report" of what happened in the Sept. issue of Northeast Caver, at first I was angry at his failure to report the story accurately and his jabs at me, but with all that I have researched - I will just handle it in the documentary. He has so many innacuracies and never once gives credit to me for anything. At the end he references about 20 differnet sources -including Bryon Ackerman of the Utica OD - who do you think gave Bryon the info. And also when Jack comments on how the press and locals made the Mitchell family out to be "not so interested in '65 but their later actions proved differently" yeah because I called them to hear their story and see if they were interested in a recovery - something that illustrious group 35 yrs. earlier failed to do - or maybe the remains would have been recovered in the 70's. Or the fact that Jack ends by saying - who am I to do this and who cut all the red tape and is this just another chance for Hollywood's fame and fortune or that little was published on my recovery - Jack - the story went around the globe. I won't dignify the rest of your questions at this time. But I will in the documentary.
To my cousin Kortney - I have no problem with you nor have I ever and I have given you your credit for helping in the cave - I appreciated you being there as does Bill Mitchell. But as far as the animosity toward me - that I don't understand. You have only heard the story over the years from your dad, the Downey's and maybe Jack. Now I'm not saying their stories or beliefs are not what happened, but there is definitely another side and other possibilities. I will do my best to have both sides depicted in the documentary. In the meantime all the negativity and jabs that the few of you keep throwing my way only take away from the true spirit of what was intended and what took place back in June.
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Post by kortc on Nov 12, 2006 15:20:37 GMT -5
to my cousin christian i guess im just a redneck dumb country boy, would you please define animosity for me and if possible could you please site some examples for me i think ive been more than fair as to everything that ive wrote on this forum, trust me its not easy there are many things that i could say but dont yes its great that you organized all this, but dont sit here and try to say that if the few that were there in the late 60's and early 70's could have done the same thing the remains came out for one reason and one reason only the people that were there before you were obviously not interested in that reason as far as jabs towards you i guess you can count this as one i do think that most of the so called negative jabs towards you by others were just people trying to show the other side to the story, the one that you dont like to mention unlike you i appreciate every comment that every person wrote in on this forum i wish more people would have shared thier views possitive or negative, remember this is not YOUR story ! hopefully your documentary will reflect all sides to the story in closing id just like to say im sorry if any of my jabs took away from the true spirit of what was intended or what happened
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Post by Lyonz on Nov 12, 2006 16:10:56 GMT -5
I have no problem with what people write if it is based on facts NOT opinions or theories. That is all I will respond to so that it doesn't become another muddslinging forum like a few months ago. Hope all is well with you Kortney as I have no personal problems with you.
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Post by kortc on Nov 12, 2006 17:26:06 GMT -5
brief is good that way you dont stick your foot in your mouth again who detirmines what is a fact ? YOU ! i dont understand how you can say youll only respond too facts ! guess i should be honored to be related to you, cause you know it all can you PM me the lottery numbers for tonights power ball thanks i appreciate your help with your knowledge on everything and anything i should be able to pay for all the editing fees your looking for as soon as this lottery check clears
and too everybody else who wants too write a response please only write in factual responses if unsure, you may want to check with lyonz i would recomend pm so that nobody else has to see your unfactual bs
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Post by Lyonz on Nov 12, 2006 20:37:44 GMT -5
I haven't stuck my foot in my mouth yet. I'm proud of how I have handled myself in this whole process. As for the facts, anybody that does their homework can gather many of them. Whenever I have responded to peoples "theories" on here all I got was hatred from a few that want to believe their story is the only truth or possibility. When you and your few detractors want to prove BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT what happened in that cave then I will sing it to the world. I personally don't care one way or the other what happened in the cave in 1965. It makes absolutely no difference. I'm just telling a story. Contrary to you and the few other detractors - making a documentary film is not a crime. The only crime would be to tell a story from one side - your side. As in every story - there is another side - one that you and the 3 or 4 other detractors want everyone to believe is the only possibility. As for saying I know it all - I've never said that, but I have spent hundreds of hours over the last 4 years trying to learn as much as I can about this tragedy. The foolishness about lottery numbers or honored to be related - that's just going to a level I won't, nor need to go to. It's sad you feel the need to. Best wishes.
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Post by Azurerana on Nov 12, 2006 21:27:15 GMT -5
Gentlemen-- Please keep it civil, and remember that the whole world can see what you say on here, and then the great Googlebot archives it for all time. You all are free to disagree without being disagreeable about anything, but it probably is in no one's best interest to conduct a family feud on the Internet. Best wishes to both of you. Azurerana
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Post by Lyonz on Nov 12, 2006 22:02:29 GMT -5
Azurerana ~ I try and keep my posts civil and carry myself with class and dignity. You and I have personally met and I believe you know that to be true. I cannot control what others, including relatives, write, but I do believe their posts and how they handle themselves speak volumes.
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Post by underworldxplorer on Jan 9, 2007 15:47:13 GMT -5
I'm new here to the forum but found this to be quite interesting. I remember hearing about it this past summer. What is the status of the documentary and when might we be able to see it?
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Post by Brad Tipton on Jan 9, 2007 21:06:00 GMT -5
Wow. I don't think I have ever read an entire thread of this length on the internet in my life. I have heard some tales over the years of this incident and I never realized how intricate this story really was. I guess I recieved the abridged version when I was told. Making no assumptions based on any fact, fiction, or anything purported to be either. It seems from my perspective that a great story will be told through this documentary. I really look forward to it's release. I don't know what to think about all the throat slashing, mud slinging accusations that were mixed throughout this thread......but I hope if the story is meant to be factual that the finshed product gives this fine story it's justice. I had to laugh at the "greatest group ever assembled" comment. Come on now........we all know that was The Beatles! ;D BTW......I have been on Cave Rescue for almost a decade and I have never been transported to a scene on the Commander-in-Chief's airplane!!
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Post by L Roebuck on Jan 9, 2007 22:43:28 GMT -5
Wow. I don't think I have ever read an entire thread of this length on the internet in my life. And I can't believe I have read this entire thread many times! ;D ;D It is very interesting, eah? I do hope Christian is making good progress and the documentary is nearing completion.
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Post by Lyonz on Jan 10, 2007 0:04:52 GMT -5
Hi Brad and Lynn ~ Thanks for following this story. I realize it is not my story but as you have read, I am very much involved in it. This has been quite a ride, one that I have been honored and proud to take. Regarding the "throat slashing and mud slinging", I have apologized for my part in the matter. As for the story itself - I have put 100's of hours into the research to make my documentary as truthful as possible. Hopefully I'll be able to interview and film the 3 or 4 people that have so publicly voiced their strong opinions of me and what they believe to have happened. But if not I will still point out their views and theories of what they believe took place. I have always wanted both sides to be told and let you, the viewer, make an educated decision as to what took place in Feb. of '65. We may never fully know what took place deep inside the cave that week but I continue to exhaust all leads to get it as truthful and accurate as possible. I do agree that this is an intricate and fine story and one that should be told. Filming and editing continues in hopes that the documentary will be completed by this summer. Happy New Year to all.
Christian Lyon
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Post by Brian Roebuck on Jan 10, 2007 6:02:29 GMT -5
Thanks for the update Christian! We're all waiting to see what the documentary holds once it is released. Every once in a while I go back through all the threads myself to try and get an overall picture of the events. It is an intriguing story about how people react to tradgedy. We're complex creatures that is for sure!
Keep up posted now and then.
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Post by L Roebuck on Jan 10, 2007 11:39:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the update! I have my fingers crossed that the documentary does get released this summer! It might be a Summer Blockbuster!
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Post by Lyonz on Jan 11, 2007 0:51:07 GMT -5
I hope it's done this summer as well. As for it being a blockbuster - I'll be relying on people like you, and this forum, to get the word out once it is finished.
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Post by Brian Roebuck on Jan 11, 2007 6:03:50 GMT -5
If it's cave related or cave rescue related most of the people on this forum will want to see it as well as all the other cavers everywhere. It will be well received I am certain. I'm definitely looking forward to it.
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Post by guanonoggin on Jan 11, 2007 6:51:54 GMT -5
Yeah dude, Count me in. I'm jonesin to see the flick too! Chuckie
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Post by Lyonz on Jan 12, 2007 19:31:41 GMT -5
Hey Brian ~ It will be 100% cave related. It will touch on the discovery of Schroeder's, the accident, the attempted recovery, the events of last summer's recovery, James Mitchell's life and the state of cave rescue from '65 to today. I look forward to being able to share this with you all.
Christian Lyon
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Post by madratdan on Jan 13, 2007 9:20:35 GMT -5
I too can't wait to see your movie, Christian. Keep us posted.
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Post by Brian Roebuck on Jan 13, 2007 9:42:01 GMT -5
Hey Brian ~ It will be 100% cave related. It will touch on the discovery of Schroeder's, the accident, the attempted recovery, the events of last summer's recovery, James Mitchell's life and the state of cave rescue from '65 to today. I look forward to being able to share this with you all. Christian Lyon It sounds like it should be a good documentary. It will tie together events in history, different points of view from those who were there, and what we know now about cave rescue and the dangers of hypothermia. It is in my opinion also a tribute to the man and the efforts of rescue personnel. Tragedy brings out the best and worst in people and the documentary will give us a glimpse of all this.
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Post by L Roebuck on Feb 7, 2007 10:42:29 GMT -5
I guess I am just anxious to see it, but Christian I was wondering if there happens to be a summer release date for the Schroeder’s Pants Cave documentary?
Thanks!
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Post by Lyonz on Feb 9, 2007 4:15:27 GMT -5
I guess I am just anxious to see it, but Christian I was wondering if there happens to be a summer release date for the Schroeder’s Pants Cave documentary? Thanks! Thanks Lynn for your constant interest and support in my work. I'm still working away on it. I'm working with a terrific editor and there still is a bit more filming as it keeps expanding in different directions. I will keep you updated as soon as I have something of interest. I'm working on a website so I can post a trailer there along with other bits of info. That should be coming soon. Thanks again. Christian Lyon
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Post by L Roebuck on Feb 9, 2007 12:28:25 GMT -5
Thanks Christian. Please do let us know the trailer website address when it goes online.
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