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Post by Brad Tipton on Aug 23, 2007 20:31:03 GMT -5
I have been working to improve the Cave Rescue page on Wikipedia. It was rather weak when I first stumbled upon it. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. If you have something that can be added to make it better, here it is. Enjoy!
[ftp]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_rescue[/ftp]
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Post by Brian Roebuck on Aug 23, 2007 20:45:54 GMT -5
That's a neat page Brad. I don't have anything to add not being NCRC trained but it is a good resource for cavers to look at and learn from. It's good to have you here adding your expertise to the forum and breathing some new life into things. There are several members that are cave rescue folks and together I hope to see some interest and postings about rescue etc. I hope the other rescue trained members join you in passing along information to the rest of us.
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Post by L Roebuck on Aug 23, 2007 20:50:41 GMT -5
I have been working to improve the Cave Rescue page on Wikipedia. It was rather weak when I first stumbled upon it. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. If you have something that can be added to make it better, here it is. Enjoy![ftp]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_Rescue[/ftp] Good Job!  Humm....a link to the U. S Cavers Forum Cave Rescue Discussion might be beneficial.  |
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Post by Sharon Faulkner on Aug 24, 2007 8:35:37 GMT -5
Looks like you have done a good job on the page. I think there is also a British publication on Cave Accidents, not sure what it may be called tho.
Just out of curiosity, are there any cave rescue resources available from the cave diving community?
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Post by Brad Tipton on Aug 24, 2007 14:21:42 GMT -5
I haven't researched much beyond my local knowledge base. The 1st few nights I worked on the page the majority of my time was spent learning how to edit the page, link references, pics, etc. The page can be much better, but other than small revisions by a few others I am the only one working on it. I was hoping others could contribute things that I overlooked. Maybe Mr White?
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Post by Brad Tipton on Aug 26, 2007 0:47:43 GMT -5
Your wish is my command ;D
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Post by L Roebuck on Aug 26, 2007 6:57:13 GMT -5
Your wish is my command ;D Looking good Brad! You are doing a great job on the Wikipedia cave rescue page. |
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Post by Tim White on Aug 27, 2007 13:40:02 GMT -5
I was hoping others could contribute things that I overlooked. Maybe Mr White? Good job! Not sure if I have the time right now to figure out how to post to Wikipedia.  But I can send you things as I think of them for you to add. ;D Here is a great link to add to the References list. Life On A Line - Second Edition www.lifeonaline.com/ |
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Post by Brad Tipton on Aug 27, 2007 20:03:55 GMT -5
I will check that out good buddy!
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Post by tncaveres on Aug 31, 2007 15:08:26 GMT -5
Looking good.
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Post by Brad Tipton on Oct 30, 2007 17:50:08 GMT -5
Looks like there has been some activity on the Cave Rescue Page in the last month. It's looking really good!
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Post by NZcaver on Oct 31, 2007 14:22:31 GMT -5
I see some small inaccuracies and outdated stuff here and there, but overall it looks like a good effort. Maybe one day I'll take a crack at building on this Wikipedia thing - I use wiki all the time for referencing things anyway.
That listing could also do with a nice vertical rescue shot, instead of 2 shots that basically show the same thing. But I'm not sure if removing a photo to replace with another will just tick someone off.
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Post by Brad Tipton on Oct 31, 2007 17:17:59 GMT -5
I was the one who posted those 2 pictures. They were the only two that I had at the time that were not taken by someone else. I didn't want to infringe on someone's copyright. I have others now, but I haven't worked on the site in a few months.
NZ, what inaccruracies did you see? I will try to make corrections. It is also hard to find good referenceable material online that meets the Wiki criteria. If you know of any that would be great.
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Post by MessedUpMike on Oct 31, 2007 19:00:26 GMT -5
I may be able to find information about the DC unit that went to the Schroeder's Pants Cave rescue if your interested.
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Post by Brad Tipton on Oct 31, 2007 20:22:46 GMT -5
I may be able to find information about the DC unit that went to the Schroeder's Pants Cave rescue if your interested. That would be great. The material in Wiki on that particular incident was taken mostly from what I gathered on the thread from this forum. Additional info could help give me better references fro the site. |
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Post by NZcaver on Oct 31, 2007 21:18:20 GMT -5
I was the one who posted those 2 pictures. They were the only two that I had at the time that were not taken by someone else. I didn't want to infringe on someone's copyright. I have others now, but I haven't worked on the site in a few months. NZ, what inaccruracies did you see? I will try to make corrections. It is also hard to find good referenceable material online that meets the Wiki criteria. If you know of any that would be great. Oh - good thing I didn't mess with any photos then! No offence - at least they're not the crappy foggy nothing shots that most folks seem to get of rescue training. I might have to think about the internet-based references a bit - that's a tough one since generally most teaching material (like NCRC stuff) is deliberately not openly published on line. (And just because I - or anyone else - throws something on a forum, it doesn't necessarily make it the gospel truth either!) Some of the published manuals out there are pretty good, but the old manual of cave rescue techniques cited in the references is a little outdated by now. A few quick thoughts: "Cave rescue borrows from elements from firefighting, confined space rescue, rope rescue and mountaineering techniques" (Perhaps from elements OF ...) And incidentally, does cave rescue really borrow from elements of firefighting? Specifically regarding the fighting of fires, I mean. Not the fact that firefighters do a multitude of other rescue duties. It's great to mention elements common with con-space, tech/rope rescue and mountaineering. But there are also wilderness medicine/SAR, mine rescue, swiftwater rescue, and dive rescue which haven't been mentioned. There may be others too, but we'd be here all night thinking of them! The next bit has a lot of good stuff, pretty accurate - at least as far as the US is concerned. This bit could be reworded though "The NCRC is not an operational cave rescue unit, but the organization is comprised of members of regional rescue squads." Perhaps it should read something like this (from www.caves.org/io/ncrc/about.html) : The ICS stuff is nice, but of course there's now that nice new flavor where the old "teams" are now referred to as "task forces" if they are made up of a collection of assets (and most are). That's splitting hairs a bit - I prefer the old "team" terminology myself. The "litter team" is usually referred to as the "evac team" but that's not a biggy either. However the "search team/task force" (when needed) is conspicuous by it's absence from that list. Also there could easily be multiple entrance control locations if required, not always just one. Like I said, just some small details. You've apparently done a bunch of the work there yourself, so well done! Accurate and well presented information is certainly good for the cause. |
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Post by Brad Tipton on Nov 1, 2007 18:07:32 GMT -5
Good stuff NZ. The reference to borrowing from firefighting might be in reference to the ICS System, I don't know. That 1st sentence was already included when I 1st stumbled upon the page.
I added all of the ICS material, but most of it was based on 10 year old material from books. I also added the notable rescues section and tried to make it a representation of rescues world wide, not just from this region. Fortunately there are good online resources for cave accidents, so that was pretty easy. The hardest part is finding credible references that are acceptable for use.
If you look in the archives of the page from July's version, you can see how much bettter the current version is. I might do some revisions and add some new pictures later tonight.
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Post by NZcaver on Nov 2, 2007 15:00:36 GMT -5
Ah, good point about firefighting and ICS. OK, you got me there.
I did notice the real effort to include more "global" information, and I think that's a good thing (although I'm probably a little biased, being as how I seem to get around more than your average bear).
Again, nice effort.
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Post by brianc on Nov 15, 2007 14:02:56 GMT -5
Why is the current events page (Wikipedia Cave Rescue Page)not cave related? I read some of the posts and was amazed at what is being written!
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Post by Tim White on Nov 15, 2007 14:45:19 GMT -5
I don't know much about Wikipedia...but it appears that the "current events" link on the Wikipedia Cave Rescue Page is to Wikipedia's current events. That is not a link controlled by the Cave Rescue Page and appears that it cannot be changed.
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