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Post by L Roebuck on Apr 21, 2006 9:46:35 GMT -5
Lynn,
It's always hard to explain when someone doesn't understand the technology you're trying to explain. Wayne Harrison[/quote] Back to topic, for those who may not understand the technology Wayne refers to - here is some more information.
What is RSS? "RSS" stands for Really Simple Syndication. RSS is for publishing regular updates to web-based content. Using this standard, web publishers provide updates, such as the latest News Headlines or Blog postings. Meanwhile, consumers (you) use RSS reader applications to collect and monitor your favorite feeds in one place [RSS content from a publisher, viewed in one of these readers, is often called a "feed"]. RSS feeds can be viewed as plain text files, but they are really designed for computer-to-computer communication.
Also some use Feedburner. Did you know Feedburner has an Ad Network? Feedburner offers its participants (the web publisher) a full range of services such as Revenue-Generating programs in RSS feeds, Track Circulation and also to Track Detailed Reader information. Feedburner participants have an "Analyze’ page for "Ad Stats". The "Ads Stats Dashboard" which shows its participants an estimate of their Earnings since last payment as well as a monthly history by impression, clicks, CTR and Paymet total for the month.
Yeap, and Feedburner participants can place an innocent looking "AD" (aka Email Signature Animator, Signature Box, etc ) at the bottom of their posts in their RSS feed. Also you may note these Ad's, subscription buttons, etc as well as the code being made available to visitors so they can place them on their own website - apparently that is also so some one can make a profit from "your" web site too. Yeap, no doubt in my mind - those who choose to use Feedburner are out to make a profit.
For more information: Feedburner’s Ad Network (FeedBurner offers a full range of services: *Implement Revenue-generating in your RSS Feed(s), * Track Visitor's, * Build Awareness ) Feedburner Enhanced Advertising Services Feedburner User Agreement( * Payment is received based upon the number of valid revenue-generating Ad impressions, *Clicks or * Transactions displayed and confirmed in the RSS Feed. * Payments will be made to user using PayPal.)
My opinion on RSS feed. I do think RSS is cool if you just want to generate News headlines and it's not a for "pay scheme" and the little icons are cute too. BUT..... RSS highlights just the "forums topics" and not the "contents" of the forum. So one drawback I see to RSS is that cavers may just read the RSS Headlines and may never visit this Forum. In my opinion that is a major point to consider.
Another point I wish to make is that U.S.Cavers Forum is a volunteer effort and we are not here to profit from Our Forum or Our Visitors - nor do we want to! We want Cavers and Visitors to come to the Forum to chat and for information. What we do not want is for visitor's to click on AD's etc, etc, so we can profit from their visits.
This is a caving discussion forum, a free space for cavers to come to chat or just catch up on cave related events and happenings in the caving community. It is NOT a profit making venture and this forum does not track your movements, what you read when you visit, or where you go, like some of the "other" caving forums are doing. Lynn, the attempt to help zenas get the US Cavers Forum added to the WCN network was an olive branch on my part. [/quote] ~ When offered an olive branch you have to watch out for the pits! ;D[/quote] Hey Wayne Harrison since you have placed Feedburner on the NSS Discussion Board. Why don't you explain the Feedburner technology to the NSS members? I am interested in hearing all about it but am really anxious to hear about the Feedburner Ad Network ( Monetize) and Visitor Tracking. Feedburner has Standard Stats which you can Track and monitor usage which looks like this: feedburner.com/fb/images/stats_screen_full.gif
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Post by Karstscience on Apr 23, 2006 2:21:44 GMT -5
I suppose the RSS feed under discussion is fine for some. Frankly, I can't imagine any possible circumstances that would require me to need instantaneous notification of messages found on any discussion forum.
Moderators: Don't let Harrison's jibs and jabs get to any of you. In every instance where volunteers take on visible roles as you have, there are going to be people like Harrison, who will try to invalidate or discredit those efforts. It comes with the territory and his actions are seen for what they are. Ignore his attempts to annoy.
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Post by guanonoggin on Apr 23, 2006 8:28:56 GMT -5
Dudes RSS feeds can be way cool if you are busy on the PC all day but the friggin doorbell ringing on WCN constantly is way bogus! No*freakin*body can concentrate on other stuff with that racket happening every two seconds. It totally sux when you want to crank up some new tunes! Tech is cool but it gets freakin annoying when it gets out of control and in your face all the time. Go Cavin! Woa!!! After readin up on all the Feedburner stuff I'm wonderin who is makin all the cashola off the clickthroughs? There's a helluvva lotta linkages and ads in all the stuff out there! Sumbuddys cashin in somewhere. Iz dat an Olive Branch or a Money Tree?
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Post by L Roebuck on Apr 24, 2006 11:22:32 GMT -5
Woa!!! After readin up on all the Feedburner stuff I'm wonderin who is makin all the cashola off the clickthroughs? There's a helluvva lotta linkages and ads in all the stuff out there! Sumbuddys cashin in somewhere.
Iz dat an Olive Branch or a Money Tree? Charles, I asked earlier in this thread for Wayne Harrison to provide more information concerning Feedburner ( since I noted he has it activated on Cave Chat .com ) - but so far he has not replied.
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Post by guanonoggin on Apr 24, 2006 19:48:07 GMT -5
Dudette! You can call me Chuck. I surfed in on the NSS forum and found that Harrison dude has made some sort of big frickin deal out of what you asked him about. He got totally tweaked about it. The dude is paranoid supremo. I wouldn't get too stoked about the dude answerin your questions here tho. Harrison's postin bogus info on his forum is just spreadin FUD. It's a freakin waste of electrons man!
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Post by L Roebuck on Apr 24, 2006 23:50:03 GMT -5
Hey Chuck! Actually, my name is Lynn but if you prefer you can call me Dudette. What does FUD mean? I haven't been to Wayne's world but just from what you have said - that seems like strange behavior. I mean I asked the question on this forum - so why in the world would he reply some where else? Ahhh, Ummmm, Ding! Can you say clickthroughs? Feedburner visitor tracking?, caving network?, clickthrough revenues?, yada, yada, yada - Nope I don't feel I need to go 'that other caving board' to read that post. Are you wiggling Wayne? Anyway, all I asked was for Wayne Harrison to provide more information to the members of the NSS Society concerning Feedburner. Since he stated people did not understand the technology I thought it would be a great idea for NSS members to have more knowledge. That way every caver would have a better understanding of Feedburners capabilities and applications. Uh Ohhhhh....the light bulb just went off! By George...if he's " totally PO'd " well then, I'd say I must have "hit the nail on the head! " Yeah by George I think its been pegged! ;D Link: RSS, Feedburner, Caving Forums, etc
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Post by Kelly on Apr 25, 2006 12:36:03 GMT -5
I surfed in on the NSS forum and found that Harrison dude has made some sort of big frickin deal out of what you asked him about. He got totally tweaked about it. Where was that? Did I miss it? Can you post the url? I'm clueless about FUD too!
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Post by Kelly on Apr 25, 2006 13:10:52 GMT -5
Never mind the url. Apparently its buried in the "caving general questions and discussion" section - go figure!
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Post by Kelly on Apr 25, 2006 13:32:14 GMT -5
Okay. In going to the NSS db to look at the above mentioned forum, I saw another post about a Tennessee cave being sold. The information about this topic was obtained by Wayne from that awesome RRS feed he keeps going on about. The web site Wayne directs you to is a db operated by the guy that posted all those Tennessee cave locations. I don't want to get into a discussion about the 'posting of cave locations', goodness knows that poor guy was put through the ringer about it, but I wonder if Wayne knows he has used the NSS DB to 'advertise' this site to users of the NSS db! ;D Maybe Wayne has changed his mind on the subject and decided to support sites that post cave locations! I think I have to go roll on the floor with laughter for the irony of it all...
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Post by Rock on Apr 25, 2006 13:36:06 GMT -5
Here is my comment about the reply on that caving board. It is
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Post by L Roebuck on Apr 25, 2006 14:04:20 GMT -5
Okay. In going to the NSS db to look at the above mentioned forum, I saw another post about a Tennessee cave being sold. The information about this topic was obtained by Wayne from that awesome RRS feed he keeps going on about. The web site Wayne directs you to is a db operated by the guy that posted all those Tennessee cave locations.
I don't want to get into a discussion about the 'posting of cave locations', goodness knows that poor guy was put through the ringer about it, but I wonder if Wayne knows he has used the NSS DB to 'advertise' this site to users of the NSS db! ;D Maybe Wayne has changed his mind on the subject and decided to support sites that post cave locations! I think I have to go roll on the floor with laughter for the irony of it all... So let me see if I have this correct. Wayne is using the NSS Board to support the advertisement of a 'cave locations on the internet ' website? BAAAAAAWHAHA! BAAAAAAWHAHA! ;D LMAO!
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Post by guanonoggin on Apr 25, 2006 17:32:31 GMT -5
Lynn and Kelly, FUD means Fear Uncertainty & Doubt. Ya know, it's that bogus crap that gets spread mega thick all over the internet to try to control how you think and feel. Dudettes - I already know how I think and feel so I don't need no Harrison or anydude else crammin their crap into my skull! I'm totally sure you two righteous caver chicks don't want their FUD spewed atcha either! Don't let these dudes wail on you on US Cavers. They got no self awareness or value man. It's for sure they don't have enough karma points to matter in this world. They float around watchin the surf tryin to hijack another dudes wave and it's for sure these bogus dudes don't care if they wipe you out while they do it. Man my aura gets all dark just thinkin about all this negativity.
Harrison dude needs to get his own surf board straight and clean before he goes off pokin his finger at ours. The dude needs to chill and take care of his messes and get a few Karma points before he takes on the world.
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Post by L Roebuck on Apr 26, 2006 10:21:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the FUD meaning Chuck. You are right! At the moment, I'm having a hard time posting to this thread. I'm still in tears every time I see the post that the NSS is supporting the distribution of cave locations on the internet by advertising that cave locations website via its NSS Board. But another thought occurred to me. The NSS BOG probably has 'no clue' what-so-ever as to ' what the Society ' is supporting via their forum. Most BOG members may not even know what the RSS feed, feedburner, network, and other technology is or how it may be used or how it is being used. The scenario is quite laughable. BAAAAAAWHAHA! ;D
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Post by Kelly on Apr 26, 2006 11:49:23 GMT -5
Thanks Chuck! How did I ever miss that acronym. I even work for a government agency, I work for the GA EPD HSRP. You would think I would know all the acronyms by now.
I emailed an NSS DB moderator about the situation, so they can now make a more informed decision about the 'advertisement' thread. I felt strongly that I needed to bring it to their attention since I really don't want to see the subject brought up again - the NSS and the site owner all look bad when discussing this subject.
Was Wayne a member of the NSS DB when all that happened? My guess is he probably just didn't know. I sure hope it doesn't bring up all that stuff again. That site was water under the bridge. The guy who owns it does not particularly like the NSS, and sending NSS members to his discussion board would only cause more bad feelings.
I do agree that it is highly ironic, and particularly funny that it happened in this manner - concerning the infamous RSS feed and by someone that professes to disapprove of cave locations on the internet and all. I just hope the thread will be deleted before the bad stuff happens all over again and the NSS prez has to call the guy again to clear it all up.
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Post by L Roebuck on Apr 26, 2006 12:23:31 GMT -5
I emailed an NSS DB moderator about the situation, so they can now make a more informed decision about the 'advertisement' thread. I felt strongly that I needed to bring it to their attention since I really don't want to see the subject brought up again - the NSS and the site owner all look bad when discussing this subject.
Was Wayne a member of the NSS DB when all that happened? My guess is he probably just didn't know. I sure hope it doesn't bring up all that stuff again. That site was water under the bridge. The guy who owns it does not particularly like the NSS, and sending NSS members to his discussion board would only cause more bad feelings.
I do agree that it is highly ironic, and particularly funny that it happened in this manner - concerning the infamous RSS feed and by someone that professes to disapprove of cave locations on the internet and all. I just hope the thread will be deleted before the bad stuff happens all over again and the NSS prez has to call the guy again to clear it all up. Yes I believe Wayne may have been on the NSS DB when all the cave locations on the internet thread, etc, happened. Recently Wayne brought the topic to the forefront again on Colorado Caves and if I am not mistaken it was also brought up on the NSS Board too.
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