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Post by Rebel Rouser on Dec 11, 2008 2:18:28 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Aug 7, 2008 14:52:24 GMT -5
"I supposse for the ultimate......"
Is there an echo in here?
"Anyone wanna volunteer to be the first one to offer up the $20 per bolt to do the first cave?"
Been there .....done that. Rebel
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Jul 8, 2008 22:52:31 GMT -5
Post away!
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Post by Rebel Rouser on May 1, 2008 6:49:16 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Apr 29, 2008 8:49:46 GMT -5
"Written for climbers, it applies to caving too."
Really? The "generally accepted standard" replacement bolt they mention is not a good caving bolt. What makes for desired bolting procedure in climbing does not necessarily translate to caving bolts. The only way to eliminate rust is to use a non - rusting material...stainless/ titanium.
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Sept 15, 2007 23:41:33 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Sept 1, 2007 12:41:47 GMT -5
"If so, how did you resolve the situation?" Reverse your methodology. Befriend them. Start caving with them and when the time is right take them to some virgin lead in the boonies and let them be first down a pit. Then just pull the rope. Easy as pie! Presto....no more problem. And if you think they will change their ways then you might let them out or not. Rebel Edit: I'm serious!!
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Jun 4, 2007 9:12:29 GMT -5
Hands off the goods please!
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Post by Rebel Rouser on May 28, 2007 17:28:18 GMT -5
What is the reason for DKSH being on the closed cave list.?
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Post by Rebel Rouser on May 23, 2007 23:16:21 GMT -5
I was just going to suggest keeping a low profile as the cave in question is on the 'closed cave list'. Rebel
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Jan 29, 2008 12:02:38 GMT -5
"i opened a 1,200 meter (4,000ft) overhanging big wall route in some of the worst weather i have ever experienced! "
The quote above is from a thread in Supertopo about a big wall climber soloing a new route in patagonia. May have a big rap south of us! rebel
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Jan 28, 2008 14:34:45 GMT -5
Well, while we're waiting for the report I was perusing Wikipedia and noticed that the "greatest purely vertical drop" was listed at 4100'. Mt Thor's vertical extent is in the range of 3300'. Anyone ever aim a clinometer down the SLOPE at Thor? I'm sure you will not find it vertical. I would like to thank Dan T. and WWunderground for the confusion. Rebel
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Jan 17, 2007 21:13:57 GMT -5
"I've told you time and time again that I am the only member of team thor who reads these posts and has the ability to reply." Hmmm, I read all of your posts and can not find one word stating as such. Ya can always edit! Where are my waders? Rebel
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Jan 14, 2007 19:35:03 GMT -5
Not trying to slander anyone. Philip had apparently never used a rack before. Thor is NOT the place to start.
SRT.......single rope technique I hear ya on that 5 min @ 200 thing! Me, I'm the conservative, boring type. ;D
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Jan 13, 2007 20:43:06 GMT -5
Mike, I think there are some lessons to be learned here but I don't think any culpability can be assigned in this situation unless the major portion be put on Philip. He chose to use an unfamiliar descent device (rack) and something happened during descent that allowed for an uncontrolled rappel. As one of the Thor '06 people stated to me, he could have had a heart attack. That would certainly account for the uncontrolled part. He could have experienced harness hang poisoning. I would think that with the observances of the Thor people top and bottom and subsequent autopsy to help determine condition during descent that a fairly conclusive assessment of what occurred could be had. Philip chose the path so it was in his court more than anyone else. I have stated before and I'll say again, rock climbers generally know very little of SRT and continually discount the dangers to the point of blindness. I say this because I rock climb and I see it frequently. There is inherent danger in SRT and rock climbing and this danger is magnified when attempting record rappels. The only way one can be sure of not expiring on rope is to never get on it. Kent
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Jan 13, 2007 14:33:29 GMT -5
[phil robinson was my cousin, we are still waiting for answers regarding his death, we know he fell while rappeling down the face of thor,so far it is looking like he had problems with the rappeling rig ,i dont know anything about the gear he was using , he fell app. 6000feet landed still attached to the rope sitting up ,quite dead,. he was very skilled in this sport ,we are all wondering what happened, can somone explain to me how this gear works,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,mike] Mike, you have my condolences regarding your cousin's death on Mt. Thor. TAG cavers have been waiting for more detailed accounting of the Thor accident but have been met with stalling tactics, declarations of 'it's not your business', 'it's not TAG caving related' and other methods of delay and denial. Maybe now that a relative is asking questions someone will get more complete answers. Mr. Robinson may have been a very accomplished climber but I would venture that he had very little knowledge of SRT. He was NOT skilled in SRT. I talked to a team member who said Philip had done some rappelling on an ATC but had not used a rack before. I got the feeling that this person saw little difference in rappelling with an ATC and rappelling with a rack. Their opinion was that Philip had suffered a heart attack or something that rendered him unable to respond during rappel. If this is indeed the case then an autopsy would possible reveal this. It appears that at least most of the Thor group do not really want to analyze the accident and just want to forget and put it behind them. Many cavers are interested in trying to understand all that occurred during Philip's rappel in the name of prevention. The Thor folks just want people to stop harshing their trip and remember that they broke a record, when in reality, the only thing that got broke is Philip. (the record they were trying to break is in the area of 6000 feet.) I hope you get some clear answers regarding Thor '06 but I would not hold my breath if I were you. Kent
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Jan 1, 2007 19:57:42 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Nov 26, 2006 18:22:37 GMT -5
Dude, you're kidding,right? Totally bogus! Reckon they view rappelling now about the same way they view russian roulette. kent
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Oct 18, 2006 22:56:39 GMT -5
Dude's,The Ebay thing was a joke. Not funny, but on par with everything else in this thread.
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Oct 14, 2006 10:49:32 GMT -5
Where can we see the rest of the 400 copyrighted images? Their upcoming book. BTW, anyone besides me think that website is busier than the Kimball exit? kent "Or, you can wait until we post it on Ebay." Am I psychic or WHAT!? ;D ;D
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Sept 13, 2006 0:46:45 GMT -5
What's the stall speed of a C-130 Hercules.....anyone?? Now that you mention it ......I do remember that ice!! The Horror!!
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Post by Rebel Rouser on Sept 13, 2006 0:29:49 GMT -5
Dan, we need a C-130. Rap out the back , would maybe be a little windy!
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