Rock
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Post by Rock on Mar 10, 2006 23:37:21 GMT -5
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Post by madratdan on Mar 11, 2006 0:11:53 GMT -5
Sorry Rock, but I kind of like the taste of French fried Spam. ;D I'm afraid I'll let him post unles he turns to four letter word insults or other unpleasantries.  (Remember that's only my opinion and I'm not the only mod on the DB.) |
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Post by Sharon Faulkner on Mar 11, 2006 20:45:07 GMT -5
I shoulda posted here first instead of on the Caver Discussion Board thread but why haven't the moderators moderated Harrisons posts yet? He's pretty transparent, ya know? Yes, we noticed. ;D ;D This forum does allow for a greater exchange of ideas and expression of thought than other forums, and some forum users like the less constrained atmosphere. Wayne was given the freedom to have his say and others were able to respond. There will always be some differences of opinion between cavers on various topics, but for the most part, I've found that cavers participating in discussion forums do pretty well at policing each other with little interference needed from moderators. Still, the spam was a bit over the top, and the mods can discuss that issue more if it continues. I'm pretty sure that we would not have been treated as well if we had tried to use the NSS DB to discredit that forum and promote this forum.  ;D |
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L Roebuck
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Post by L Roebuck on Mar 12, 2006 11:30:05 GMT -5
Thanks for posting Rock. Be assured that we are monitoring as well as discussing Wayne's posts and will moderate such posts as necessary.  In my opinion, perhaps Wayne felt the dire need to advertise his forum on U.S. Cavers Forum as well as other discussion boards like Colorado Caves because most of the caving community have noticed that of the "nearly 700 NSS forum users" on average a mere 30-40 are active/online on the NSS Forum. |
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Post by Taylor on Mar 12, 2006 13:32:34 GMT -5
perhaps Wayne felt the dire need to advertise his forum on US Caver's as well as other discussion boards like Colorado Caves because most of the caving community have noticed that of the "nearly 700 NSS forum users" on average a mere 30-40 are active/online on the NSS Forum. Here is another example of Harrison's exploitation; using the Colorado caving forum to benefit a personal agenda. When forum users called Harrison on his actions; using their forum as a promotional tool to direct users to the NSS forum, he dismissed their concerns and cited his goals for the NSS forum.  coloradocaves.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=332Why is this troublesome or why should anyone be concerned: Because the majority of caving forums are maintained and administered by NSS Members, some for over a decade and at the member's personal financial expense. Each forum serves as a tool to benefit cavers, speleology, and conservation of caves, in addition to providing fellowship between those interested in caves. Each caving forum serves as one element of the fellowship purpose of the NSS mission statement. |
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guanonoggin
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Post by guanonoggin on Mar 12, 2006 14:47:51 GMT -5
perhaps Wayne felt the dire need to advertise his forum on US Caver's as well as other discussion boards like Colorado Caves because most of the caving community have noticed that of the "nearly 700 NSS forum users" on average a mere 30-40 are active/online on the NSS Forum. Here is another example of Harrison's exploitation; using the Colorado caving forum to benefit a personal agenda. When forum users called Harrison on his actions; using their forum as a promotional tool to direct users to the NSS forum, he dismissed their concerns and cited his goals for the NSS forum. coloradocaves.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=332Why is this troublesome or why should anyone be concerned: Because the majority of caving forums are maintained and administered by NSS Members, some for over a decade and at the member's personal financial expense. Each forum serves as a tool to benefit cavers, speleology, and conservation of caves, in addition to providing fellowship between those interested in caves. Each caving forum serves as one element of the fellowship purpose of the NSS mission statement. Yo Taylor, Thanks for the Colorado Board forum link. I got a kick outa Harrisons friggin waffling there. He sure aint no <expletive deleted>cat is he? Hypocritcal is freakin more like it. Maybe he should make another forum as sort of a shrine for himself and call it Waynes World Forum. He can be the sole subscriber (although he would for sure report that hundreds of members are present) and totally have discussions with hisself while pattin hisself on the back. I guess he thinks it is OK for him to defame anybody he wants in public online. Its not bad enough that he picks on the two moderator chiks on this forum but then he turns around and beats on some poor Colorado caver dude for doing the same thing on the NSS board! Dudes - what is the NSS thinking having him workin so flippin hard to sink their ship? Chucky |
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Post by Azurerana on Mar 12, 2006 17:19:58 GMT -5
I don't get what the deal is here. Understood the first outrage about the NSS VP report, but that seems to have been resolved. Once you understand that the current NSS board is more heavily moderated than any of the previous boards, more under control of peer pressure, and more openly rah-rah NSS, you play in their court, you play by their rules.
I notice that no one has responded over there to Mr. Harrison reviving the whole Caves4All controversy--that wasn't what the cave location thread was originally about, anyway. Cavers are going to discuss the morals and mores of cave location disclosure as long as there are cavers, and they are never going to agree on the subject. Duh.
I don't know Mr. Harrison. Regardless of his personal opinion, being the NSS DB moderator is a demned if you do and demned if you don't proposition. I like it here on US Cavers-- but the NSS has 12,000 people to think about, and barely 700 have logged on to their board. As many people have pointed out, that'ts not even 10% of their membership, and fewer than who vote for BOG.
I may not always agree with him, but I've got to have respect for anyone who puts that amount of time in on a voluteer effort.
Azurerana
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Post by L Roebuck on Mar 13, 2006 11:40:02 GMT -5
Understood the first outrage about the NSS OVP Report, but that seems to have been resolved. Oh Darn, I some how missed it! So where is the post with the "public apology" for the "public defamation"? [REF: tinyurl.com/p2e96] Is it on the NSS Discussion Board? or in the NSS Operations Vice President Report? or perhaps it is in the NSS Discussion Board Subcommittee Report? I haven't seen it so would someone please post the link? Once you understand that the current NSS board is more heavily moderated than any of the previous boards, more under control of peer pressure, and more openly rah-rah NSS, you play in their court, you play by their rules.
but the NSS has 12,000 people to think about, and barely 700 have logged on to their board. As many people have pointed out, that'ts not even 10% of their membership, and fewer than who vote for BOG.. Now let's think about this a minute ....... what could possibly be the reason(s) that the 12,000 NSS members have not joined cave chat? Could the reason be the current NSS board is more Heavily Moderated than any of the previous boards? Could the reason be that it is more under the Control of peer pressure? Could the reason be the open Rah-Rah NSS? Or maybe the reason could be the elitist overtones? Humm.....Beats Me, I'm Stumped!   |
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Post by Sharon Faulkner on Mar 13, 2006 18:24:22 GMT -5
So where is the post with the "public apology" for the "public defamation"? [REF: tinyurl.com/p2e96] On the NSS Discussion Board? or in the NSS Operations Vice President Report? or perhaps it is in the NSS Discussion Board Subcommittee Report? I haven't seen it so would someone please post the link? Someone give me nudge when the link to the public apology is posted please. I'd hate to overlook it a second time. |
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Post by Sharon Faulkner on Mar 13, 2006 18:50:29 GMT -5
I like it here on US Cavers-- but the NSS has 12,000 people to think about, and barely 700 have logged on to their board. Oh my...I simply did not realize the gravity of the situation! Wayne must be beside himself with grief. Maybe an emergency board meeting should be called...forum specialists can be flown in to address the problem....The HORROR!....The HUMANITY!  |
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Brian Roebuck
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Post by Brian Roebuck on Mar 13, 2006 19:07:32 GMT -5
Sharon, The "Jack in the Salamander" Rulez!! Dr B |
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Post by madratdan on Mar 13, 2006 22:58:31 GMT -5
On both DB 2 and DB3 I watched the numbers of people that join. Both times are about the same as now. 2 to 3 new people a day after the initial rush to join. Now if they don't loose it or start it over again...............
The jack in the salamander is too funny.....ROFLMAO!!!!
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Kelly
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Post by Kelly on Mar 17, 2006 13:47:22 GMT -5
I've been lurking on the Colorado discussion board reading all of this stuff. I agree with you Dan. I've participated in discussions about this in the past. I've even exchanged a few private emails with the guy who posted Tennessee locations on his web site. While I don't agree with posting cave locations, I've come to terms with it. I even see the point to it, even though, again, I don't agree with that point. That topic is beating a dead horse, and bringing it back up is just stirring the pot! |
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Post by madratdan on Mar 20, 2006 12:44:52 GMT -5
I hear you Kelly. I guess stirring the pot must be in the adminstrators job title or something. I'd almost buy Wayne's explanation about wanting to learn more and find out what others think. But he has been so instrumental in this whole dead horse issue, right from the get go. It appears to me, to be more like an obsession with him, to keep this topic alive.
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Post by L Roebuck on Mar 21, 2006 11:09:41 GMT -5
Yes, that issue has been been debated, debated again and even re-debated. Am I wrong or does it seem Masterdebaters ( say Masterdebaters fast 3 times  ) always have to have some thing to debate even if it is some long dead issue they have to dredge up? |
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(Remember that's only my opinion and I'm not the only mod on the DB.)
