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Post by L Roebuck on Nov 21, 2007 9:17:09 GMT -5
I am starting this topic to further discuss Az's comments in Trip Report - Rebel CaveSo referring to the caving ladies as " Cavers" may now be Politically Incorrect? Um...so what would be Politically Correct?
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Post by madratdan on Nov 21, 2007 9:40:45 GMT -5
cavebabes?? Girls gone caving? maybe......ladycaver or Ms.caver
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Post by Tim White on Nov 21, 2007 10:51:20 GMT -5
Berta would kick anyone’s butt if she was referred to by any girlie term. Better call her a "caver". Well, other than something like CaverBabe, CaverHottie, etc. as long as in has "caver" in it.
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Post by L Roebuck on Nov 21, 2007 14:05:11 GMT -5
But in the ' Politically Correct Climate ' refering to a female as " CaveBabe " or " CaverBabe " or " CaverHottie", etc, wouldn't that be condescending and therefore still be considered Politically Incorrect?
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Post by Brian Roebuck on Nov 21, 2007 14:19:00 GMT -5
Cavette? A few more Politically Incorrect Terms: Cavers Highly Interested'n Caves'n Karst Science (C.H.I.C.K.S) Beautiful And Brilliant Extreme Speleologists (B.A.B.E.S.) he he he ;D
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Post by kenredux on Nov 22, 2007 8:59:28 GMT -5
Cavettes? Really, Beaner, that smarts of sexism. In fact, in the cave days of the seventies some red-necked Neanderthal wrote a rhyme entitled "Cavettes". To wit...
Cavettes
Female cavers are no trouble at all If one says only "heck" in a difficult crawl Assistance over a ledge is considered quite chivalrous But place your hands anywhere but the obvious When changing clothes walk out of sight Ignore the chiggers and rattlesnake bites It is true, in summation, Most male cavers support women's liberation.
By Harry Caver
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Post by Tim White on Nov 22, 2007 13:19:09 GMT -5
But in the ' Politically Correct Climate ' refering to a female as " CaveBabe " or " CaverBabe " or " CaverHottie", etc, wouldn't that be condescending and therefore still be considered Politically Incorrect? "condescending" Berta would take it as a compliment. We don't follow the Politically Correct mandate.
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Post by Azurerana on Nov 25, 2007 13:00:04 GMT -5
I don't see any need for any term except caver. In fact, I'm under impressed with women who feel they need to be called cave babes. I personally abhor any use of diminutives to refer to women unless they really are petite, uber smart, confident, competent and they themselves are encouraging and enjoy it as a joke. Sort of like the way people will call some 6'6" 250 lb. guy "Tiny".
My mom was 4'11" and lettered in basketball in high school as a guard. If you would have called her a basketball babe, she would have knocked you into the next county.
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Post by kenredux on Nov 26, 2007 22:55:18 GMT -5
I don't see any need for any term except caver. In fact, I'm under impressed with women who feel they need to be called cave babes. I personally abhor any use of diminutives to refer to women unless they really are petite, uber smart, confident, competent and they themselves are encouraging and enjoy it as a joke. Sort of like the way people will call some 6'6" 250 lb. guy "Tiny". My mom was 4'11" and lettered in basketball in high school as a guard. If you would have called her a basketball babe, she would have knocked you into the next county. You say? I don't think so. Your mom would have considered the jerk who called her a "basketball babe" a goofus. And the goofusives of this world haven't ever had a pill-pushing chance of getting an endowed girlfriend or a good paying job. To call a squench a wench is an endearing term of endearment. And any female woman who has the hypothetical balls to be an honest woman can easily defend herself. Hmm.? Why is it ok to use the term "herself" while it is considered gauche to use "hisself" whem referring to a hims? Strange world.
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Post by L Roebuck on Nov 27, 2007 14:49:38 GMT -5
I don't see any need for any term except caver. In fact, I'm under impressed with women who feel they need to be called cave babes. I personally abhor any use of diminutives to refer to women unless they really are petite, uber smart, confident, competent and they themselves are encouraging and enjoy it as a joke. Sort of like the way people will call some 6'6" 250 lb. guy "Tiny". My mom was 4'11" and lettered in basketball in high school as a guard. If you would have called her a basketball babe, she would have knocked you into the next county. Yes to me the term caver seems to be the general all-purpose name. Ooops (don't shoot me) I neglected to bring the names for male cavers into the Politically Correct discussion. So as far as Politically Correctness goes.....what about the male terms of cavestud, caverguy, cave spud, etc, etc?
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Post by Azurerana on Nov 28, 2007 11:23:06 GMT -5
Hmm.? Why is it ok to use the term "herself" while it is considered gauche to use "hisself" whem referring to a hims? Strange world. You're mixing grammatical units. His and her (and hers) are both personal possessive pronouns used as adjectives with a direct or indirect object. ("It was her purse. It was his remote. The purse was hers.") Those pronouns refer to things. Him and her are third person, referential pronouns generally used as the object of a sentence. "Bill gave the clock to her. Sarah gave the book to him.") They refer to people, not things. Herself and himself both refer to the person. "Hisself" doesn't make grammatical sense, since it is derived from a possessive pronoun referring to things, which by definition (so far, anyway) aren't self-aware. Why her drops the 's' when used as a possessive adjective before the object, but retains it when used instead of the possessive plus object noun whereas his doesn't change regardless of position is a leftover of middle to modern English transition-- and merely reflects the fact that his is a much older pronoun, which used to be, and still is used as a gender neutral pronoun. This is an outgrowth of the fact that, in law, it's only been a century or so since women were legally allowed to own anything in their own name. Prior to that, everything was 'his'-- including her.
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Post by kenredux on Nov 28, 2007 20:05:25 GMT -5
Gerome was playing with his...uh ...thing. Now see, that sentence is grammatical and we have little doubt that the thing that Gerome was playing with was his own himself. I dunno, Azurerana, language follows usage - not logic - and a man's possessive pronoun should be as a womans, ie. able to possess his own self. Don't you think? www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1931867/posts
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Post by Azurerana on Dec 2, 2007 18:32:28 GMT -5
Today I was in roadside restaurant bathroom with doors marked his'n and her'n.
You'n gotta 'member round the parts I roam perfectly good Elizabethan English just died out with the coming of the radio and television. Even today, I heerd some folks speakin' likaways they did afore. Spect you can say whatever you ken, just be a-sure they'ns can unnstand yes.
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Post by kenredux on Dec 2, 2007 22:30:07 GMT -5
Today I was in roadside restaurant bathroom with doors marked his'n and her'n. You'n gotta 'member round the parts I roam perfectly good Elizabethan English just died out with the coming of the radio and television. Even today, I heerd some folks speakin' likaways they did afore. Spect you can say whatever you ken, just be a-sure they'ns can unnstand yes. OooWee! Ye'uns talk right purdy up yonder. We'uns in Alabamy talk right smart too. We'uns don't say "ye's"; we'uns say "ye'uns" 'cause you'uns mix up ye'un's "ye's" with yes.
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Post by plainasty on Dec 2, 2007 23:06:51 GMT -5
Now wait jus a daw gone minute. i aint makin much sense of what ya'll are gettin at. cuz see whur i'm from'n we jus hang out aroun yander and talk about the good ol' days. mmm hmm. eh??
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Post by Azurerana on Dec 4, 2007 22:23:01 GMT -5
Today I was in roadside restaurant bathroom with doors marked his'n and her'n. You'n gotta 'member round the parts I roam perfectly good Elizabethan English just died out with the coming of the radio and television. Even today, I heerd some folks speakin' likaways they did afore. Spect you can say whatever you ken, just be a-sure they'ns can unnstand yes. OooWee! Ye'uns talk right purdy up yonder. We'uns in Alabamy talk right smart too. We'uns don't say "ye's"; we'uns say "ye'uns" 'cause you'uns mix up ye'un's "ye's" with yes. ye's be short fer you'uns. ;D Course, member we'ns got two sorts of palaver meetin' in the middle -- them's from Swampeast Missourah talk cotton-dixie Southern, whereas them's hillfolk talk Appalachy. Prolly like folks from TAG. Onna them ethynographers came by a while back and tried to unsnarl hit all, but he run back to St. Louis in a heartbeat cause he couldn't get the hang of translatin the menu down at the hotel to the waitress, and never got nothin to et fer three days. Mighty hongry he was.
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