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Post by mjo56300 on Jan 16, 2007 10:05:50 GMT -5
Hi All, I'm a new subscriber, and new to cave photography. I just got a Canon Powershot 630 for Christmas and took it underground for the first time this past Saturday with my son Thomas. I have a brand-new firefly hooked to a old flash unit and was trying to play with that as well. The day brought mixed success. I never saw evidence on any pictures of the firefly&external flash going off. "nzcaver" opined that it might be a pre-flash issue and I am working on that. I posted some of the images on a closed grotto Yahoo site, but Sharon Faulkner persuaded me to give posting them here a try as well. So I am going through the learning curve and hope this works out. The best results that I had was when I set the camera on a tripod and used shutter priority mode and set the exposure for 15 seconds (max value for the camera) and then used a combination of manually triggering the flash and waving flashlights around to "paint" in the lighting. The first image is of the waterfall in the 70' dome just past the Sidewark area. This was my third try after discovering the 15 second approach. The second image is of the rimstone dam section back near the register The third image is the same rimstone dam section from different view and lighting. I'm not quite sure why I got the different color quality, unless it is the external flash "whitening" the image. Well, here goes Mark Ostrander Madison, AL
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Post by Sharon Faulkner on Jan 16, 2007 20:15:49 GMT -5
Hi Mark, and welcome to the forum. These are great first time photos, thanks for posting them here. Looks like Huntsville has another caver entering the realm of cave photography!
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Post by madratdan on Jan 16, 2007 21:55:43 GMT -5
Excellent photo's Mark. You should stop by Colorado and take a few.
Welcome to the discussion board.
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Post by Brian Roebuck on Jan 20, 2007 11:52:48 GMT -5
Mark, I am not so sure about your camera's features but I imagine it has various flash options that work great for taking photos of the doggies etc outside but hurt you underground. Lots of digitals have the red-eye reduction feature which pulses the flash at low power just before the main flash goes off. This apparently causes pupils in the eyes to dilate enough to reduce red eye. You should probably try to use manual flash settings instead if your camera has that feature. If not - the ability to do 15 second time exposures on a tripod is great! That way you can use external flashes further from the camera that give better results. Use a few slaved flashes further away if you like. Most cave photographers use flashes from the sides to highlight details of formations with subtle shadows from the flashes. You can also light subjects from behind with big flash units if you like achieving this manually with your model or other hidden cavers running the flash unit(s).
Lynn also has some issues with colors due to using different flashes and the light frequencies they give off. Not all digital cameras can adjust "white balance" to compensate for flashes with too much blue (or whatever) color output in them. The higher color temperatures (measured in degrees K) are more blue while lower temperatures are more of a yellow color light output. Xenon flash units output light at 6000K while some flash powders etc output around 4000k or less. These give you more or less blue tint depending on the flash and your camera setting or film type. Film cameras can use different types of film (sensitive to certain color temps) for different flash unit color temperatures. Digital cameras adjust their color sensitivity by white balance adjustment since there is no film in them you can change. Use of flashbulbs and external flash units can be done better if you adjust the white balance of your digital camera to match the color temperature output of the flash source (set to 5000-6000K for strobe flashes and less for other light sources with lower color temps). They say don't mix types of flashes unless they are at the same color temperature or you will have a wierd mix of colors in your photos. As for your inconsistant results - it is possible your external flash or other lights have different color temps than the one in your camera. It is also possible that using "auto" settings for white balance can affect the color of the photo based on what the camera sensors detect. I don't profess to be an expert at all on all of this but two good sources of info are : On Caves and Cameras by Norman Thompson and John Van Swearingen IV, and Images Below by Chris Howes. They are available at the NSS Bookstore and other places. Read up on all that stuff to make sure what I told you is correct before you go back out there! You may be able to find more info on all this stuff on wikipedia as well.
Best of Luck to you!
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